autochess

[matematiko]

Well, this is the story:

1.- When playing against users with less lag than ours, sometime YaY's flag it is ignored by Yahoo (it will take me a whole day to explain this, so just trust me on this one). Because of this, YaY's autoflag actually flagged the opponent 5 times in an attempt to make it more effective. This was working well, or at least was not causing any trouble until:

2.- Yahoo started inplementing patches, some patches will ban users por standing and sitting too fast, or changing avatars too fast, etc. In the case of the consecutive flags, Yahoo did not know what to do with this, so instead of baning the users, just decided to ignore his/her command requests like start, stand, etc( This is just a theory). This is why YaY worked very good with the multiple flags until ferw months ago.

*************************************

At first we did not know what the problem was and after some personal script modifications and troubleshooting we found the problem and corrected it.

Because of all the trouble we went obfuscating the script, I was very lazy and did not want to spend the time fixing the public release, after all you guys have not make much "noise" about it. But last night dene told me he had received lots of feedback about this YaY's problem ( I don't want to call it a bug because it was not a bug until Yahoo decided to change things).

So, during the next week or so I will try to find in my old hard drive the source of the obfuscated YaY 3.2.1 script, fix the problem and create a new exe. We are still undecided if we should release just an exe as a patch or a whole new installation file.

And that's about it, nothing else will change, no new features...Just a fix for the problem mentioned above.

Regards,

The YaY Ultimate Team

[XsupremeX]

"""1.- When playing against users with less lag than ours, sometime YaY's flag it is ignored by Yahoo"""

I have faced this. No fair to keep moving if we reach 0:00. Specially people far from Yahoo server which is really rare to win in time vs people closer. Our only chance is flag them if they get 0:00 but if this command doesnt work sometimes cuz Yahoo changes. I say "NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo". But this is other story.

Main: YaY Team modifying/fixing/updating YaY cuz Yahoo changes is really really appreciated by all YaY Users.

My best to The YaY Ultimate Team !!!

[il_konte]

Wowwwwwww these are great news,keepings us always on top,
thank you YaY Ultimate Team.

regards!
il_konte

[matematiko]

"""1.- When playing against users with less lag than ours, sometime YaY's flag it is ignored by Yahoo"""

I have faced this. No fair to keep moving if we reach 0:00. Specially people far from Yahoo server which is really rare to win in time vs people closer. Our only chance is flag them if they get 0:00 but if this command doesnt work sometimes cuz Yahoo changes. I say "NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo". But this is other story.

Main: YaY Team modifying/fixing/updating YaY cuz Yahoo changes is really really appreciated by all YaY Users.

My best to The YaY Ultimate Team !!!

Sorry bud, this fix will get rid of sluggish behavior....like yahoo ignoring stand,sart,sit requests.....but is not making the flag better...that has something to do with the opponent beeing and moving faster and YaY (OR ANY OTHER SCRIPT) can do nothing about it....sorry....but hey, at least one problem will be fixed...who knows, maybe later we found a fix for the other problem.

Cheers,

[XsupremeX]

It is ok mate. I think this fix will help the problem I face too. I mean, old version of YaY, even if my opponent is very fast I could flag him typing "flag command" about 4-5x, he is caught by my flag. But the Flash I use "flag command" 20-25x and he is never caught. I think like we stuck sometimes and cant start, stand, sit, it is happening in same way to flag command I type. It doesnt work sometimes cuz Im stuck, and as game still in progress after 0:00, no matter how many flags I send to server. Just one opinion.

Let's wait to YaY 3.2.2 and see if I can flag at least after I type 4-5x and not endless typing.

[dene]

I think this fix will help the problem I face too. I mean, old version of YaY, even if my opponent is very fast I could flag him typing "flag command" about 4-5x, he is caught by my flag. But the Flash I use "flag command" 20-25x and he is never caught. I think like we stuck sometimes and cant start, stand, sit, it is happening in same way to flag command I type. It doesnt work sometimes cuz Im stuck, and as game still in progress after 0:00, no matter how many flags I send to server. Just one opinion.

Let's wait to YaY 3.2.2 and see if I can flag at least after I type 4-5x and not endless typing.

It is possible the difference between catching your opponent after 4 or 5 x manual flags and not catching your opponent after 25x manual flags is 'sometimes' caused by the ignoring certain commands problem after you have auto flagged, but I cant promise anything.

Either way it will fix the ignoring commands after flagging problem which does pee people off.

[matematiko]

YaY Ultimate 3.2.2 Flash Edition Ready for download.

At this moment a new installation package has not been created yet, the download available is just the executable: YaY_Ultimate_3_Flash.exe and it can be found here:

EDIT 06/06/2010 LINK IS DEAD

What was changed?
- Flag only 1 time at the time instead of 5, this fixed the slugish problem at game ends (the main reason for this release).

- This is just a cosmetic change, the first shout "Hi" was changed to "Hi !"

- Now is not possible to turn warnings off, this might not be liked by some people (usually cheaters) but we dont give a rat ars about it and we hope the true real and honest players support this change.

- Some times Yahoo's Control Tower reports nothing but three rooms:
Super Unknown, Who Are You ? and Where teh Streets have no Name. This is a Yahoo problem that usually lasts only few hours and the only way around it is to declare the room either in a batch file or in the command line. Probably just few people or nobody knew about this, but anyway this stopped working few months ago when Yahoo changed the URL of the Chess Servers, we updated the script to reflect this change and this should work at least for now until Yucking Fahoo makes more changes, so there is not guarantee it will work tomorrow.

-Now if you declare the shortcut as "none", YaY will skip the WinBoard shortcut selection window ( This was requested by xsupremex).

-Now YaY will exit automatically if you rename polyglot or winboard232. We found this practice missleading and disrespectful to the authors of those wonderful programs.

-Now YaY will sit (or try to sit) automatically as whites when you become the host of the table, which happens when you create a table and when someone leaves the table and you were the next on line to become host. The reason for this change is that many times when a table is created someone comes and sits right away before we have the time to enter the sit command, so before you create a table be sure your engine is ready to play (This was requested by xsupremex).

I think that's it, thanks xsupremex for the beta testing and your suggestions.

The YaY Ultimate Team

Edit: The "I am logging out bla bla bla" was removed as well.

[XsupremeX]

Thanks for suggestions accepted. All changes are welcome and respected by us, YaY Users.

Long, long life to YaY Ultimate Team!

ps We cant extract the exe. I know Dene is already in the way.

[dene]

We cant extract the exe.

This is fixed now, ... EDIT 06/06/2010 LINK IS DEAD

[sasuke]

thanks for the new YAY Ultimate. thanks

[matematiko]

Installation file created and ready for download:
EDIT 06/06/2010: LINK IS DEAD

Enjoy,

YaY Ultimate Team

[sasuke]

thanks a bunch again but i am annoyed by Yahoo. i still get 3 rooms on my first login.

Who are You ?
Where the Streets Have no Name
Uknown

then i close YAY and go to Firefox brwoser and go to Yahoo Chess flash version. and yes after logging in the rooms list show empty.
its a yahoo problem and i have no idea when they'll fix this. damn it YAHOO FIX IT :@

[chiuauaboys]

thanks a bunch again but i am annoyed by Yahoo. i still get 3 rooms on my first login.

Who are You ?
Where the Streets Have no Name
Uknown

then i close YAY and go to Firefox brwoser and go to Yahoo Chess flash version. and yes after logging in the rooms list show empty.
its a yahoo problem and i have no idea when they'll fix this. damn it YAHOO FIX IT :@

i dont think its the yahoo chess site that has the problem . i go to yahoo chess everyday and i didnt get any problem lately.

[matematiko]

sasuke,

Have you tried the alternate method I mention earlier?

YaY's release comes with a file called YaY_Ultimate_3_EXE_example.bat and the original content of the file is as follows:
REM You can enter values betwen the double double-quotes for none or one or more of the options bellow
REM or leave them blank as they are now, YaY Ultimate will pop up windows for any value omitted.
cmd /k YaY_Ultimate_3_flash.exe --username "" --password "" --room "" --port "" --shortcut ""

By using this batch (.bat) file to launch YaY, many of the options can be pre-declared, in this particular case we are interested in declaring the room. So change it to something like this:
REM You can enter values betwen the double double-quotes for none or one or more of the options bellow
REM or leave them blank as they are now, YaY Ultimate will pop up windows for any value omitted.
cmd /k YaY_Ultimate_3_flash.exe --username "" --password "" --room "chess_adv_b" --port "" --shortcut ""

This should do the trick.

chiuauaboys,

i dont think its the yahoo chess site that has the problem . i go to yahoo chess everyday and i didnt get any problem lately.

Are you suggesting the problem is with YaY?

When we released YaY Ultimate the very first time, the idea was to provide the user with a nice graphical interface to select a WinBoard shortcut, to enter new IDs or select a previously saved one, to display 10 world areas and to display the rooms and the amount of users at that particular moment in time, to select a WinBoard port, etc. The idea was to eliminate the need to enter parameters in the command prompt window and therefore now once YaY is launched it wont' prompt the user for parameters. Now, parameters have to be manually selected thru the Graphic interface or be predeclared in a batch file as I explained above.

The URLs that provide the rooms information for a particular area of the world, are called control towers, for example the control tower for the USA is:
http://ct.games.yahoo.com/controltower-2.0.0/ct?v=2.0.0&intl=us&c=gr&p=ch&n=2147483647
Go ahead and click on the link and see for yourself that that is a Yahoo URL and see the nice information that is provide by it.

So, for reasons beyond my comprehension and beyond my control, sometimes these URLs will display only the 3 rooms mentioned above and there is nothing in the world we can do to fix a problem we are not creating (well except going back to the old YtoICS way of logging), then your only option when this happens is to predeclare the room in the batch file as explained above.

In reality that's how dene and I log in, by using a batch file with everything preclared on it (ID, password,room,winboard shortcut), this way just by double-clicking the batch file ICON YaY will take us to the room in one single step.

I hope this explanation changes your mind about this issue.

Cheers,

Edit: In the control tower above, observe that there is two Chess Servers (probably running in a sync mode):
-yog5.games.ac4.yahoo.com and
-yog6.games.ac4.yahoo.com

Observe also that yog5.games.ac4.yahoo.com is the one used the most.

When a room is predeclared, YaY will use the control tower to extract the parameters needed (yog, port and room's name), but if the control tower is down (displaying only the 3 infamous rooms), YaY will use yog5.games.ac4.yahoo.com which is not necesary correct.

For example:

Code: Select all

<room host="yog6.games.ac4.yahoo.com" port="11999" yport="yahoo_1039475893" title="Advanced Lounge 6" category="advanced" currplayers="2" />


If you are trying to go to Advance Lounge 6 and the control tower is down, YaY will use yog5.games.ac4.yahoo.com instead of yog6.games.ac4.yahoo.com

This is an interest situation, you will be logged to Advance Lounge 6 in the chess server yog5.games.ac4.yahoo.com while the rest of the players logged to this room are using the chess server yog6.games.ac4.yahoo.com , so, you will be the only player in that room

I am explaining all this to make it clear that even thou we went thru the trouble of providing users with an alternate solution when the control tower is down (once in a while really), this solution only works for rooms using yog5.games.ac4.yahoo.com

[chiuauaboys]

chiuauaboys,

Quote:
i dont think its the yahoo chess site that has the problem . i go to yahoo chess everyday and i didnt get any problem lately.


Are you suggesting the problem is with YaY?

pls dont read in between the lines. did i ever suggest that the problem is with YaY? i dont think so. you know very much that i use the YaY to go to the yahoochess site. if i go there daily without any problem, do you think i suggested that the problem is with YaY? hmmmmmm. no offense.