Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby mocha_1961 » 07 Sep 2008 19:00

Prima wrote:
matematiko wrote:
Prima wrote:Well dene and matematiko, what do you all think of Windows Vista, Quad Core 64-bit OPs, Q6700 Series coupled with 6144MB of System Memory and 750GB of Hard Drive? Is this better compared to the Q6600 Series?


Everybody, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

As far as I know, a q6600 is almost exactly the same as a q6700. They both have the same L2 cache. They both were built using the same technology. There are only two differences. The first one is the multiplier and the second one is the price.

A q6600 has a 9 multiplier and a q6700 has a 10 multiplier.

These CPUs where made for a 1066 Mhz FSB. Intel's motherboards send 4 bits of information for ever clock pulse, therefore a so called 1066 Mhz FSB is in reality runing at 267 Mghz (266.66 X 4 = 1066.66). So, at stock speeds (meaning that the motherboard is running at a FSB of 266.66:
- A q6600 will be running at 266.66 X 9 = 2,400 Mhz = 2.4 Ghz
- A q6700 will be running at 266.66 X 10 = 2,666.66 Mhz = 2.66 Ghz

Both CPUS can reach, lets say, 3.2 Ghz, to do this, for the:
-q6600, the FSB needs to be bumped to 355.55 Mhz (355.55Mhz X 9 = 3200 Mhz = 3.2 Ghz)
-q6700, the FSB needs to be bumped to 320.00 Mhz (320.00Mhz x 10= 3200 Mhz = 3.2 Ghz)

This difference in FSB requiered makes the q6700 less vCORE hungry which reduces the CORES temperatures and the electromagnetic fatigue effect which in turn enhances its life expectancy and this is the only difference (besides the price) I see between these two CPUs.

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matematiko wrote:Everybody, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

As far as I know, a q6600 is almost exactly the same as a q6700. They both have the same L2 cache. They both were built using the same technology. There are only two differences. The first one is the multiplier and the second one is the price.

A q6600 has a 9 multiplier and a q6700 has a 10 multiplier.

These CPUs where made for a 1066 Mhz FSB. Intel's motherboards send 4 bits of information for ever clock pulse, therefore a so called 1066 Mhz FSB is in reality runing at 267 Mghz (266.66 X 4 = 1066.66). So, at stock speeds (meaning that the motherboard is running at a FSB of 266.66:
- A q6600 will be running at 266.66 X 9 = 2,400 Mhz = 2.4 Ghz
- A q6700 will be running at 266.66 X 10 = 2,666.66 Mhz = 2.66 Ghz

Both CPUS can reach, lets say, 3.2 Ghz, to do this, for the:
-q6600, the FSB needs to be bumped to 355.55 Mhz (355.55Mhz X 9 = 3200 Mhz = 3.2 Ghz)
-q6700, the FSB needs to be bumped to 320.00 Mhz (320.00Mhz x 10= 3200 Mhz = 3.2 Ghz)

This difference in FSB requiered makes the q6700 less vCORE hungry which reduces the CORES temperatures and the electromagnetic fatigue effect which in turn enhances its life expectancy and this is the only difference (besides the price) I see between these two CPUs.

Cheers,



Sounds about right to me.

Depending on the price difference between the 2 cpu's, I think I would save some money and go for the Q6600. With good air cooling (case and cpu) the GO stepping version will do between 3.2 and 3.6ghz. Just make sure you get a good motherboard for overclocking. Thats the other difference between the 2 cpu's, for the Q6600 to reach beyond 3.2ghz you need a motherboard that can handle high FSB clocks more than you do with the Q6700. For example, some motherborads wont go much higher than 350FSB without upping the MCH (northbridge) voltage and the VTT on the board, which means you'll have to know a little bit more about overclocking and change more settings in the bios to get good clocks, ..so choose your board well.


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Prima wrote:Well dene and matematiko, what do you all think of Windows Vista, Quad Core 64-bit OPs, Q6700 Series coupled with 6144MB of System Memory and 750GB of Hard Drive? Is this better compared to the Q6600 Series?



I recommend:
Q6600 cpu

4GB of ddr2 memory (2x 2GB) -you dont need more than that, and more than 2 sticks of ram can sometimes hinder your overclock, as it puts a lot of stress on the northbridge.

Windows Vista Home Premium 64Bit OEM operating system

A motherboard thats good for overclocking - research this, ..google is your friend here!

2 hard drives. A big one like the 750gb one you mentioned for storage, with a partition made (say 100GB) for an operating system install you can use for everyday use. A fast hard drive such as a WD raptor for a windows install just for chess etc.

A good PSU, such as a corsair one (at least 500 -600watts) - never skimp on the PSU, its important for a stable system.

Regards






Thanks Friends,

I already bought the Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6700 Series - Windows Vista 64-bit OPs, along with the two(2) types of Gigabyte-Hard Drives I mentioned earlier.
I bought this series because it had more RAMs (or Memory-Hard Drive) than the Q6600, albeit a little more pricy as you both stated. As for the MotherBoard, I'll look into it to see if it's configurable (though I'm not a big fan of Over Clocking, no matter how safe).

One more thing, the windows vista 64 bit OP differs a lot from the windows xp I'm used to, including paths / directory, icons, file names etc. It's like having to re-learn the entire PC system all over again, and quite frankly, I think the windows vista OPs are harder to operate compared to windows xp.
Prima.



it is harder at first bcoz ur not used to it. but once you get used to it. i bet you, you will like it better. cheers. i have vista ultimate 64 bit.
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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby Moheevi_chess » 08 Sep 2008 02:22

XP 64bit is better then Vista 64bit for engine chess because it takes up less resources. It's the same for benchmarks and all that good stuff. You see high benches with XP.
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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby dene » 08 Sep 2008 07:34

Moheevi_chess wrote:XP 64bit is better then Vista 64bit for engine chess because it takes up less resources.


Agreed,...

But if you follow the guide here.. http://www.blackviper.com/ .... to turn off all the features of vista that use up your systems resources, theres not really any difference on fritz benchmark. I tested this on one of my own PC's ages ago.
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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby matematiko » 08 Sep 2008 12:57

We also need to remember that some day Windows XP will follow the steps of its predecessors Windows 95, 98, 98SE, ME, 2000 meaning that not new bugs will be fixed, no new drivers will be created, no new updates will be issued, etc. At the same time, the whole opposite will happen with Vista: New and better drivers will be created, new updates, etc.

So, this is the time to embrace Vista, this is the time to start getting used to it.

Just my opinion, cheers,
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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby dene » 08 Sep 2008 13:25

matematiko wrote:We also need to remember that some day Windows XP will follow the steps of its predecessors Windows 95, 98, 98SE, ME, 2000 meaning that not new bugs will be fixed, no new drivers will be created, no new updates will be issued, etc. At the same time, the whole opposite will happen with Vista: New and better drivers will be created, new updates, etc.

So, this is the time to embrace Vista, this is the time to start getting used to it.

Just my opinion, cheers,


Couldnt agree more! :Bravo
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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby mocha_1961 » 08 Sep 2008 15:17

matematiko wrote:We also need to remember that some day Windows XP will follow the steps of its predecessors Windows 95, 98, 98SE, ME, 2000 meaning that not new bugs will be fixed, no new drivers will be created, no new updates will be issued, etc. At the same time, the whole opposite will happen with Vista: New and better drivers will be created, new updates, etc.

So, this is the time to embrace Vista, this is the time to start getting used to it.

Just my opinion, cheers,



i second the motion. :Bravo :Bravo :Bravo
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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby Moheevi_chess » 08 Sep 2008 18:43

Since were on the topic of operating systems, can you run chess programs on linux? If so what would the performance be like compared to windows?
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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby matematiko » 08 Sep 2008 19:25

Moheevi_chess wrote:Since were on the topic of operating systems, can you run chess programs on linux? If so what would the performance be like compared to windows?


Yes you can defently run chessprograms on linux, I am aware of Shredder was release for Linux, for engines in exectubale format made for Windows you gonna have to use WINE (Windows Emulator, I think), unfortunaly, WINE does not yet supports programs made for 64bits but there is a guy in the rybka forums that wrote a small application to do this.

I do not use linux, so please do not ask me more questions in this subject, I am just trying to send you in the right direction.

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Re: Fritz 11: the best set up for a 5/5 game

Postby XsupremeX » 04 Jan 2009 18:29

Yesterday a friend asked me what is the best set to use fritz in yhaoo:

select level : blitz game or long game?

I couldnt answer cuz i didnt know... I use to use blitz game 1/0 but just noticed that we can set long game 1/0 too after check fritz when he questioned me! I have a doublt... what is the best to play any timer? go to blitz and select specific timer or go to long and select specific timer? thx all help!

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