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End Game Blunder - Engines

Postby rybka » 25 Oct 2007 11:10

Rybka seems to blunder in end game for reason not known to me. I have loaded 4-5-6 table bases and even tested with higher time limit game like 10/15, especially when noone has distinct advantage in end game it seems to make some blunder move. One respite being opponent engine is also not able to recogonize that!!!!!
I have come across this scenario many times where my engine can easily queen the pawn, instead it will make strange repetitive moves and draw in 100+ moves!!
For ex- My endgame position was 2 connected pawns vs bishop. My rybka drew that. I loaded same position in winboard (crafty 20.4 vs crafty 20.4) and crafty easily queened one pawn and other captured by bishop. White won easily.
Want to know if any of you have faced this situation and has resolved this.

Thanks & cheers.
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Re: all proplems

Postby m.t_mode » 25 Oct 2007 20:02

This is a familiar problem among many engine users.
First of all, you need to make sure that the engines you're using are the real ones, not the clone ones, because as you know there are clone engines on the web these days. Secondly, I can say say that i hear some rumors that previous versions of Rybka do really have that problem, many people are making a fuss about the endgames of these previous versions, especially, if you're using the 2.3.1 mp version of Rybka, it's very likely to face with that problem, I think that the latest version of Rybka (2.3.2) is a bit better at game endings; for example, you can have a look at that position:
http://uploaded.to/?id=m3dvz7
in that position, Rybka 2.3.1 made the d4 move, while 2.3.2 made the Åže4 move

Furthermore, it wouldn't be wrong to say that Rybka with tablebases doesn't give fairly good performance at the end of the games, sometimes, it gets confused while reading those tablebases, you can see another examples of this in freestyles, too.
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Re: all proplems

Postby rybka » 26 Oct 2007 12:28

Thanks m.t_mode for that information.
Also I noticed that Endgame blunder percentage is higher in shorter game. But whatever higher time limit I set atleast one in ten I am sure to see blunder which frustrates me. I feel like quitting engine and continue playing manually!!!
I use rybka 2.3.2a. From your reply it looks like you want me to try removing table bases and play few games to see if rybka blunders in end game or not. I will also try fritz10.0 with table bases for any end game blunder.
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Re: all proplems

Postby romeo diaz » 01 Nov 2007 18:02

what is an engine? how do iget one?
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Re: all proplems

Postby tue_mouche » 16 Nov 2007 22:12

g00dtr wrote:some engines not work flag

How are you!
I tried to install yay but i failed! Could you help me please!!
Friendly yours. Tue_mouche.
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Re: all proplems

Postby matematiko » 16 Nov 2007 22:29

You are not giving us enough information to help you.

Look around all the rooms, some people having problems making YaY work had posted their questions and they had been helped, maybe the answer to your problem is in one of these rooms.

If you do not find the answer to your problem, then come back here and post again but give us more information, even snapshots if possible.

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why yahoo barrel me from chess room

Postby elcriollito » 06 Dec 2007 08:48

when conecting my YaY ,after i doubled clik winboard yahoo said on a message that i had been barrel from yahoo,so i can not conect until dic 5,why this happend here, :smile20
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Re: all proplems

Postby mimzee » 30 Dec 2007 20:18

hey guys does anyone here know how to remove this shout spam on yay "www.programs.googlepages.com"

-cheers
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Re: all proplems

Postby DeepThought » 31 Dec 2007 01:07

Selfish.... :hong
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Re: all proplems

Postby DeepThought » 31 Dec 2007 09:19

Maybe he doesn't want others to know about autoplaying stuff... Maybe.
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Re: all proplems

Postby linasinblues » 04 Jan 2008 06:07

HOW DO WE SHOUT IN A ROOM ONLY AND NOT THE LOBBY? SORRY, I TRIED TO LOOK INTO THE FORUM BUT I CAN'T FIND IT. :cry:
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Re: all proplems

Postby dene » 04 Jan 2008 09:46

linasinblues wrote:HOW DO WE SHOUT IN A ROOM ONLY AND NOT THE LOBBY? SORRY, I TRIED TO LOOK INTO THE FORUM BUT I CAN'T FIND IT. :cry:


I'm not sure I understand what you are asking.

If you are asking how do you type a message in a room with YaY, rather than shout it in the lobby...

Type kibitz before writing your message and your message will show only in the table you are observing.

EXAMPLE:

kibitz Hi, my name is Dene!
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Re: all proplems

Postby linasinblues » 04 Jan 2008 09:58

thx dene. i really appreciate your help. you are always there to help. i salute you sir. you are very knowledgeable in this forum.
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Re: all proplems

Postby DeepThought » 05 Jan 2008 01:19

linasinblues wrote:thx dene. i really appreciate your help. you are always there to help. i salute you sir. you are very knowledgeable in this forum.


He sounds like tue_mouche, no?
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Re: all proplems

Postby linasinblues » 05 Jan 2008 04:57

is there a way where you can go from one room to the other without getting out from the black screen when you first get in the game? just curious for answers. :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

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